God DAMNIT Kenny. God fucking DAMN you. Can’t you stop going nuts for like TWO FUCKING SECONDS?!
September 29, 2014 at 3:02 pm
There’s no time for Kenny to calm down and not keep everyone on edge.
September 29, 2014 at 3:04 pm
While I agree with some (SOME) Kenny-apologists that Matt and Pat go a little overboard at times…I cannot WAIT for their reactions to the end of the game. IT’S GONNA BE SO HYPE YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW.
September 29, 2014 at 3:54 pm
Yeah, but the good ending is better.
September 29, 2014 at 3:57 pm
It really is. He realizes how far off the deep end he’s going and tries to protect Clem and the baby at the (almost guaranteed) cost of his life.
September 29, 2014 at 6:18 pm
It super is, and I’m not saying that because I hate the other ending (even though that was my first pick) but the Best Ending is better character wise.
September 29, 2014 at 9:04 pm
Oh I agree completely, I watched all the endings and went in there with about as much loathing as these two usually have for Kenny and came out nearly in tears and forgiving him completely for everything; I’m just saying that these two’s reaction to That One Choice will be amazing in its own right.
September 29, 2014 at 10:07 pm
I want their reaction to the Wellington endings more than anything else, if they don’t include them it was all for nothing.
It can’t be for nothing.
September 29, 2014 at 3:13 pm
I can’t wait to hear more constant “WOW KENNY WTF EVEN THO U DID NOTHING, FUCK YOU!”
“EVEN THO UR TRYIN 2 PROTECT US/CARE FOR US, FUCK YOU!”
September 29, 2014 at 3:34 pm
Yeah. I think they hold the Larry incident against Kenny.
Kenny is rash as all hell. He could have waited for Larry to actually die before smashing his head, that’s definitely true.
However, Kenny was scared because he JUST learned that people who die with their brains intact become walkers. Larry’s a big man, so him being a walker in a confined room with the three of them, which would be bad news.
I don’t see it as ‘murder’ as much as I see it as ‘the needs of the many over the needs of the one’
September 29, 2014 at 3:53 pm
Kenny also just has a very short fuse. He doesn’t always think straight.
But like everything he does has to do with the group being safe. (Stopping Arvo, protecting the baby, etc.)
Yeah, and I agree. It’s not really murder if literally the only possible outcome would be more death. It’s protection/defense.
September 29, 2014 at 4:26 pm
In the very last TBF episode they held it against Kenny that his shitty shot was what killed Alvin even though they told him to take the shot. As well if it was Clem who took the shot and Kenny blamed her for Alvin’s death they’d be all over that sh*t. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me.
September 29, 2014 at 6:23 pm
@ Homicidal Sheep
Yeah, he only has short term protection in mind. He’s definitely a flawed individual, which is what makes him interesting to me.
Him also putting his family first is something I understand because who wouldn’t?
HOWEVER, after watching this episode, I’m starting to think he’s a little nutsssssss.
September 29, 2014 at 4:21 pm
Carver was just trying to protect them too, doesn’t stop both of them from being a villian.
You don’t get points for good intentions if your plan is to kill innocent people for no reason.
September 29, 2014 at 8:36 pm
Carver kills people for failing to live up to his orders, ACTUALLY hunts deserters and implyingly raped Rebecca. You’re not making a very good argument here.
September 29, 2014 at 8:17 pm
Kenny wants to take care of you and the baby and that’s it. If we use the 1st season as a template, then Kenny hasn’t changed at all, it’s just that his attention is focused on you the player now, meaning he’s nice to you even if you don’t want him to be. That’s presumptuous, forceful writing and that can go to Hell. Although to some people, this means that it makes it okay that he’s an emotionally disrupted, chaotic fool a good deal of the time. Hey, at least he’s not an asshole to YOU, right?
Kenny’s terrible because he’s a raging emotional monster. Jane’s terrible for polar opposite reasons. Luke’s end is sandbagged. Bonnie/Uninteresting Black Dude make an undeserved heel turn. Honestly, this is some of the dumbest fan arguments because it doesn’t feel like it’s fueled by interesting choices like “Why didn’t you take the food in the car!? Who cares if it belongs to someone, Clem needs food!” It feels like arguing over whether a particular character is an ass based on rather shaky writing (and as is the internet’s specialty, holding the resulting opinions over this against real people). Matt and Pat don’t like Kenny because he committed wholesale MURDER (you forget that Larry was alive during the CPR scene) and being scared doesn’t change that; a new season doesn’t change that; forcing the friendship of Kenny on the player doesn’t change that. Don’t get butthurt and hold that against the LP.
September 30, 2014 at 1:14 am
September 30, 2014 at 2:04 am
*clap* *clap* *clap*
September 30, 2014 at 10:11 am
I don’t hold anything against the LP for shitting on Kenny. I just find it BORING. I LOVED them shit talking Kenny in Season 1 [even though I disagreed a lot of the time] but it was FUNNY. This time around it comes off more as they have NO OTHER material than SHIT ON KENNY. And that gets OLD. I don’t hold them making fun of Kenny but I DO hold it against them using it as the ONLY source of material they got[ I know it isn’t the ONLY material they have but it FEELS like it is so the effect is the same]. THAT’S why I’ve personally gotten TIRED of this LP.
September 30, 2014 at 2:07 am
I wish someone would make a video compiling all Kenny apologists comments in a list right next to the scene of Kenny beating Arvo in the face and calling him a Commie.
September 30, 2014 at 10:14 am
Ya. We can put it right next to the Scene where Jane had sex with Luke and didn’t want to save Sarah. Or how about that scene where she killed that Russian. Or where she held up Arvo. Man isn’t Jane just so much BETTER than Kenny?!
October 16, 2014 at 11:45 pm
You say that as if Jane being shitty makes Kenny un-shitty. It doesnt.
September 30, 2014 at 1:38 pm
Maybe if he tried to protect Clem without almost murdering other people, that complaint would make more sense. Yeah, Matt and Pat can go a bit over the top with their hatred for the Boatmaster Extreme, but maybe if he calmed his shit and realized that doing bad things to other people makes them come back and try to murder everyone. M+P go overboard, but so does Kenny.
September 29, 2014 at 3:22 pm
In fairness when Kenny knocks out a screaming Arvo, Arvo was screaming during the zombie apocalypse. You don’t really have much else to do when you’re rushed, they’re panicked and trying to get them to shut the fuck up.
September 29, 2014 at 3:24 pm
Also Arvo’s full of shit anyway
September 29, 2014 at 3:31 pm
If you convince kenny to join the fire he doesn’t beat up Arvo. Just sayin’
September 29, 2014 at 3:35 pm
Good thing there aren’t any more saltlicks lying around or everyone would be FUCKED.
September 29, 2014 at 3:37 pm
I’m gonna laugh so hard when Arvo does what he does
September 29, 2014 at 3:51 pm
***DON’T READ THIS IF YOU DON’T WANT TO BE SPOILED***
I like how when Kenny apologizes for wanting you to not drink, they still think he’s an asshole for it.
Even after he apologizes FOR NEARLY EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED RECENTLY, of course it’s not enough.
Even after he pours his heart out to them! Even after he promises to raise the baby right!
But I do agree with them with thinking he’s too much of a dick to Arvo. Even though he did completely fuck us over and LIE, I don’t think he needs like 47 beatings. BUT, again, he didn’t want any Walkers to come and fuck us over. (I don’t think this happened in my game, though. Weird.)
I guess I am kind of a Kenny fan (seeings how he didn’t do as much wrong as they’re thinking he does) but yeah, that shit’s crazy.
All over one mistake? Guys, I think you need to let go of the “He killed some prick that was probably going to betray you, or turn or something” grudge.
Also, fuck Bonnie.
I hate those two more than they hate Kenny, at this point.
“HURR HURR U CULD HAF SAFED HIM!!!”
You could have too, dumbshit.
Kenny wasn’t blaming anyone for asking “How the fuck did that happen?!” He literally was asking how the fuck that happened.
WOAH WOAH WOAH, KENNY DID NOT HIT CLEM ON PURPOSE! She got behind him!
I love how literally every time Kenny apologizes, says he was wrong, etc. they keep saying he’s horrible.
Again, sorry for my shitty rant, but I just REALLY want them to get a good ending, and also realize that [insert person here] will do WAY WORSE STUFF.
All I ask of you, is to not ‘hurt’ Kenny. You know what I mean when the time comes. He totally redeems himself in every way, and there is no possible way you could dislike him after it.
September 29, 2014 at 4:00 pm
Well put, but they’ve already finished the game and I’m sure they’ve Youtube’d the good ending by now. Guarantee you after Ep 15. they’ll still be like “Yeah, fuck Kenny”
September 29, 2014 at 4:25 pm
Let’s be fair it is their personnality to be like that so I completely understand them and I am a Kenny «fan» myself. The thing is, if you don’t hold too much against him, his lines and actions can be perceived and even sometimes change a bit to seem like he is losing his mind more and more but yo ucan also act like they do which also works and it makes his line and even brings some actions that makes him definitely look like an evil bastard that needs to go. Kenny’s mind is strangely linked to Lee and Clementine’s actions in very subtle ways. If you somewhat support him or at least not be against him, it’s a simple matter of he’s losing his mind but going against him makes him be mopre desperate and not giving a single fuck about what you think since anyway it won’t change a thing for you.
September 29, 2014 at 4:04 pm
I honestly don’t think that they care nearly enough about the game to try to get a good ending, or any ending at all that doesn’t involve Kenny not getting killed. Either way, they are going to play the way that they want to and make the decisions that appeal to them most.
September 29, 2014 at 4:17 pm
Even though those decisions are based off of false accusations, and poor-thinking of his situations.
September 29, 2014 at 5:35 pm
Let me tell you something about assholes, assholes LOVE to apologize. The reason is because then it’s put on you to forgive them, and if you don’t then you’re the asshole. Doesn’t matter if that person doesn’t change their behavior after apologizing, all they need to do is apologize again and again.
To sum up, Kenny is an asshole.
~PRECIOUS SWEET INNOCENT ANGEL ARVO~
They’re wrong, but they can be wrong if they want.
September 29, 2014 at 3:56 pm
Holy shit. So the replay value in this game isn’t from seeing different choices, but seeing Kenny either act like a TOTAL shit or HALF a shit.
September 29, 2014 at 3:58 pm
KENNY WHAT THE FUCK! like two seconds you were sorry then oops here let me smash this defenseless kid with a gun
September 29, 2014 at 4:01 pm
Ok, the thing with Arvo never happened with me. I guess if you make him re-join the group, he calms down and drinks then he only complains about giving a drink to Arvo which, as dickish as it is, is FAR FROM WHAT HE DID. So yeah, Kenny apologists actually play in a way that this scene does not happen at all. So yeah, it is easier to be an apologist when he actually doesn’t do that 😛
September 29, 2014 at 4:10 pm
It’s funny how 2 or more people can’t really have the same opinion on this game.
September 29, 2014 at 4:03 pm
I hope the next con they go to there’s a bunch of Kenny cosplayers there with “Boatmaster” jackets harassing them. I think Kenny is a piece of shit too, but I want this to be a thing.
September 29, 2014 at 4:09 pm
So, Jane’s Drink of choice is Aftershock, not earthquake, which is a type of schnapps (Cinnamon and Peppermint when it came out, don’t know now)… and I like her a bunch more now, and I liked her quite a bit before, because in an ironic twist, Aftershock also sent me to the hospital to get my stomach pumped – though not because I ate glass.
College, first experience binge drinking, and man did I binge. Can’t even think about aftershock anymore without my stomach turning. Last thing I’ll mention is that it will turn your vomit a bright neon glow-in-the-dark colour if you drink enough.
Also, fuck Kenny, I was willing to give him more of a chance than Patt, but fuck, that guy is absolutely Toxic and will be the cause of the group splitting or dieing if things continue as they are, just like he was the schism in the first group. If it weren’t for his bullshit so many better characters would still be alive.
September 29, 2014 at 4:11 pm
September 29, 2014 at 4:27 pm
In this Season, Definitely Alvin and Walter, with a higher likelihoods of Carlos, Sarah, Sarita and Luke (though Luke is mostly on Bonnie).
Pretty much everyone from season 1, except Clem (so far) was indirectly killed as a result of Kenny’s dickery too.
September 29, 2014 at 4:18 pm
Ohh and Fuck you Kenny apologists too.
Alluding to Arvo doing something to screw the group over… The group that protects the guy who is literally beating the shit out of him at the start and end of every day (with a few bonus beatings in between). Arvo has been concussed probably a minimum of 3 times already. I wouldn’t want to be a prisoner of that group either… your only value to the group is being the whipping boy and maybe a human shield.
So, Fuck You.
September 29, 2014 at 5:38 pm
Kenny gets you to Wellington and Jane lies and manipulates you into being a murderer.
September 29, 2014 at 6:39 pm
Kenny kills everyone you ever cared for.
Jane murdered dudes for you, and has done all around more to make sure you have all the tools you need to survive. Like Patt said, everyone gets 1 fuck up. Kenny’s had dozens. (The sleeping together thing was Luke’s fuck up not Jane’s, she did her job)
September 29, 2014 at 7:38 pm
Much like Matt and Pat you’re too emotionally retarded and invested in blame shifting to get good endings.
I’m sorry for your loss.
September 29, 2014 at 8:07 pm
Also, take a look at Arvo’s translated dialogue. He’s not a bad guy, his original group is kind of crossing over that line, but no more so than Clem’s group (or most groups in the WD ‘verse for that matter).
It’s also been proven Concussions = Brain Damage, and enough of them get you put in a home sitting in a chair starring out the window slurping broth through a straw with NFL linemen OR see you going the full Benoit and murdering your family in a fit of intense depression where the only way out is murder/suicide.
So yeah, everything shit that has happened to, and around ,Clem since she met Kenny has been Kenny’s fault – which is pretty much the entirety of Season 1 and all of Season 2.
September 29, 2014 at 8:20 pm
Situationally Ironic, a troll accusing someone of emotional retardation, especially given the needs of the subject matter.
But whatever, have fun in your brief existence in a post-apocalyptic world with your Kenny equivalent. You’ll have a brief moment to contemplate how you feel on the matter after he drops a salt block on you just after waking up from a nap, or gets you and your family collaterally killed by shooting random people for no raisin, or sends you on a suicide mission for a vehicle half a dozen times well after you need to give up and move on, or half a dozen other things that gets everyone killed because he’s 100% toxic.
Admittedly, he’s sympathetically toxic, which is the most dangerous kind, but he’s toxic nontheless and any group he is a part of will fail as long as he’s a part of it.
September 29, 2014 at 8:55 pm
I’m the one living the high life with the Best Ending in Wellington, so fuck you too, kid. 🙂
September 29, 2014 at 11:30 pm
Samael has to post multiple paragraphs of specious horseshit, half-truths and outright lies to talk himself into believing he didn’t fuck up.
Gyro and I can just say “I got a Wellington Ending”.
It’s so much easier on this side of the fence, I can’t even tell you.
September 30, 2014 at 1:36 am
I’d really like to hear the reasoning behind being proud about getting the “Wellington Ending,” because up to this point, every major group of large size has outright died or been so horribly reduced in man power that death is imminent. I don’t pay attention to the live action show, so maybe you know something I don’t.
The Cancer Patients (because….well…cancer and old, even though it’s not even mentioned after they escape.)
Carver’s group (once again, not even mentioned after the horde, seemingly as though to bring them back into season 3 as a rival faction.)
Carlos’s group (can’t think of the real leader’s name.)
I may or may not be forgetting more, but you get the point.
With this kind of track record, what makes you think being in a large group is even a good idea? 5-6 people I can understand, but something around 10-20, not so much. Politics alone is something to worry about. Wellington better be a military complex with soldiers or Marines that have optics, night vision, infrared lasers, and case after case of MRE’s. Or else you’re going to be in the same situation as all these other groups…eventually.
September 30, 2014 at 1:56 am
They had giant walls, construction cranes, communication, decency and were able to hand out supplies to outsiders.
But no no, I want to hear how much better Clem’s life would be at Howe’s or completely alone so she can become a horrible anti-social monster person.
September 30, 2014 at 2:09 am
Either you were expecting me to jump directly into your asshole with hate, or you’re just agitated that that’s all you’re getting from other people; but I appreciate the response in a visually appealing manner. I’ve not bothered to look at any other youtube videos of the endings since I noticed the objectively noticeable bad writing in this season. That and how misleading some of the dialogue choices are…
Anyway, Wellington sounds like a promising place. But what concerns me is just how much real estate it’s going to be taking up, how noisey it is, the amount of people, etc. Something this great is going to require greater skill in story telling skill than current TellTale has, at least in my opinion. There are points in this game where their subtlety wasn’t subtle at all. It was in fact more like the devs trying to elbow you in the thigh like a child walking down a toy aisle.
At this point I’m just trying to meta-game real life people and predict what kind of shortcuts TellTale’s going to take and how well it’s all going to fit together. Character development in season 2 was all but non-existant, and the ones that died felt like they were just garbage jettisoned into space, you know?
September 30, 2014 at 2:46 am
Since you’ve decided that you’re hoi aristoi compared to the untermenschen writing for Telltale and can’t be bothered to actually review the material you’re referencing, maybe you could do one better and more convincingly express your disinterest by shutting the fuck up?
I mean I stopped reading your post after the first paragraph and I’m pretty sure I didn’t miss anything.
September 30, 2014 at 3:02 am
Oh, you’re a troll.
I suppose if I don’t shut up you’ll keep talking, just to irritate me (or try.) Of course now that you’ve made yourself known to be one, I don’t really have to invest in any time giving you the benefit of the doubt. Thank you for making your intentions known, I greatly appreciate it. Go ahead and have your last word kind sir.
(Copy pasta-ed to other comment chain for clarification to others.)
People who defend Kenny make as much sense as Kenny 😉
I know this is going to infuriate Matt and Pat, but I don’t think Kenny was wrong to hit Arvo. Screaming that loud will attract walkers and no one wants that happening. Kenny ended the problem before any kind of real harm could be done.
September 29, 2014 at 4:22 pm
Am I the only one that was baffled that Kenny had the baby, yet the baby appeared in Bonnie’s arms so Kenny could beat Arvo?
September 29, 2014 at 8:58 pm
Arvo screams his lungs!
Kenny hears it and rushes!
Kenny throws Bonnie the baby for the assist!
Arvo gets decked by Kenny!
and he sticks the landing!
Kenny this and Kenny that, so much Kenny in the comment section haha
I can’t wait until they see what Arvo winds up doing. They’ve already missed all the times he just fucking gives Clem the death stare so when he finally shows how fucking awful he is it’s gonna be great
September 29, 2014 at 4:48 pm
In fairness, Arvo giving Clem death stares is like Clem giving Carver death stares.
September 29, 2014 at 4:31 pm
Listen you motherfuckers: if you talk shit about Kenny one more time I’ll-Oh my god George Takei baby! That’s the most hillarious shit ever! Wait, what was I talking about?
September 29, 2014 at 4:47 pm
As a Kenny fan, this was the point that I turned on him, when I knew he was broken forever.
September 29, 2014 at 4:51 pm
Kenny needs to drop his shield if you know what I mean
September 29, 2014 at 4:53 pm
I really wish they’d talk about something other then Kenny. It’s not about liking or disliking him, and given he’s a big issue, but it’s like they say in the video–they’re becoming a one track record.
I’m really looking forward to the end of this playthrough through. Without spoiling anything, let’s just say it puts a unique perspective on everything.
Lastly, fuck Arvo. He deserved at least one of the beatings here. Everyone in the group is way too comfortable with a kid who was part of a plan to rob you.
September 30, 2014 at 1:11 am
If there was less Kenny and less bad decision making from his part, they would have bitched about him less. But for whatever reason, he was brought back to fuck up this season as well. Not only that, now he’s the center of the story and probably will be the center of the ending.
Also, the actions of the characters in this episode was kind of stupid all around.
September 29, 2014 at 5:01 pm
I can’t wait for the next part of this so they can see HOW FUCKING WRONG THEY WERE ABOUT (insert name here) AND KENNY WAS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT but other but we’ll see if they can admit they were wrong and he was right for ONCE
also if you take Kenny back to the fire he doesn’t beat the shit out of Arvo so ya know maybe if you didn’t keep trying to go against him he wouldn’t go on violent boat fueled rage, also the dumbass Arvo was screaming which might have alerted zombies, so knocking him out was probably a good idea though I would have just covered his mouth but sure Kenny what ever floats your boat . but no Kenny probably just beat him to feel good about himself, yep no other reason he beat the shit out of Arvo, Jesus I’m not even a Kenny apologist and I can understand why people would be like Kenny quit being a shit, but to actively plan to kill him like letting the walker get him when Kenny would literally never let that happen to you, not fuckin great.
The finale is gonna be so gooooooood gurrrrrrl 😀
September 29, 2014 at 6:07 pm
Dude. Pat won’t admit he was wrong. He’s going to be like “Well that figures, the way Kenny treated us!”
September 29, 2014 at 6:38 pm
except that Jane was totally right and Kenny needs to be put down.
because he’s horrible.
September 29, 2014 at 7:41 pm
Wasn’t talking about Jane in the first sentence, and also fuck Jane towards the end, I really want to say why fuck her for what she did but just in case The Zaibatsu who probably have beaten it already but just in case, she dropped the fucking ball at the end she flat out lies to you, if she had done literally ANYTHING SMART in her plan she could’ve ran, she could’ve said what was really happening as the thing was about to happen, it’s just the worst and I just know Matt and Pat are just gonna fall in love with her at the end most likely, as for Kenny being needed to be put down I understand that but he sure as hell wasn’t horrible.for the things he’s done(some of the horrible things he did were a little bit Pat’s fault but it’s fiiiiiiiine)
September 29, 2014 at 5:05 pm
Well Matt and pat if ya put some loyalty to Kenny ya would know he does not beat arvo in that transformer section And for the record choosing the Kenny ending is the best one
no, Jane-bro ending is best ending.
September 29, 2014 at 8:53 pm
Nice joke, guy.
September 30, 2014 at 2:48 am
You’re such a kidder, Steve.
September 29, 2014 at 5:46 pm
This whole let us be assholes to Kenny has kind of ruined the playthrough for me. The fact that Kenny is right in most of these situations but you instead side with a сука like Arvo is kind of bullshit.
September 29, 2014 at 6:05 pm
It’s at times like this that I really appreciate the Dark Souls 2 LP, to remind me that Pat isn’t as much of an idiot that he has been in this LP
I’m no Kenny advocate but Arvo’s really fucking stupid to shout when you’re outside in the night in a forest full of walkers. The fuck?
September 29, 2014 at 6:08 pm
Also, dudes, you tried to make a murderer out of Clementine?
September 29, 2014 at 6:12 pm
THE GEORGE TAKEI-BY.
September 29, 2014 at 6:35 pm
Good thing that they already played this game to the end already, because I really can’t wait to see them react to Arvo going full on Stalin. I always felt Arvo was a cock that, just like Kenny, decided to blame just you for everything. “Oh this woman threatened me? Best blame the little girl” “oh my sister turned into a zombie? better blame the little girl” “this dude with one eye is smacking the shit out of me, best blame the little girl”.
He is pretty much Russian Kenny, and Lilly rolled up into one big bundle of shit.
September 29, 2014 at 6:40 pm
I’m just gonna assume they are going to enjoy getting Kenny dead, A LOT! But hey, I can’t argue. Games are just meant for everyone.
They are probably going to go with either the “Alone” ending or the “Jane” ending, but not the good ending. That’s for sure
September 29, 2014 at 7:35 pm
If you treat Kenny like a human, and bring him back into the group, with kindness, he doesn’t hit Arvo.
Also, you guys are usually good at character analysis, but for some reason you’re playing hating Kenny up for laughs, and it’s stupid. I’m not a Kenny fan, but I understand his character, and he’s not the worst person. In fact, he’s almost always the only person who has a plan that involves giving the group some sort of objective. He is impulsive, and rash. And he always says the first thing that comes to his mind. That doesn’t make a bad character. That doesn’t even make him a character you should hate. You can’t name one negative thing he’s done in season two that was not a direct result of your own choices. One of his only fuck-ups was not hitting Carver when shooting, but if you make the right choices, he doesn’t even shoot at Carver, and Alvin survives.
September 29, 2014 at 8:41 pm
THIS, THANK YOU.
September 29, 2014 at 7:50 pm
Well, at least Kenny apologized for what was arguably a fair time of feeling like shit…because wifey #2 kind of died…horribly. Y’know…>.>
Again, not really a fan of that guy, but yeesh…YEESH.
September 29, 2014 at 8:14 pm
Holy fucking shit I feel like I need to comment on this playthrough…and, unfortunately, the opinions of said playthrough.
I can not believe the amount of stupid shit that random viewers and “fans” are both doing and saying concerning the choices these guys are making in a VIDEO GAME.
It seems like these people are so disconnected with the real world that they feel the need to somehow imply that Matt and Pat are terrible human beings that would say and do what they’re doing in this playthrough in real life. HOLY SHIT has it really come to the point in society where we get so fucking angry over digital content not being played a certain way? I understand posting your opinion and displaying your discontent with the first few episodes after you’ve been irritated….but I’m seeing this FOuRTEEN parts in….which is actually the correct number if anyone’s watched their TWD Season one LP, because they joked around in it as well. One main area of concern is the frequency of Kenny jokes…..their concerns would be valid if 80% of the game wasn’t TellTale shoving him down our throats…they can only work with what they’re given. In season two, there’s this problem I have, you see, it feels like TellTale couldn’t make up their minds about who was going to lead the group….Kenny or Clementine….and it VERY awkwardly handles that situation. TWD Season one never had this problem, even when Kenny suggested ideas you never felt as though he was battling you for the leadership position.
Their commentary in playthroughs isn’t slipping either…again, they work with what they’re given, which isn’t a lot considering how easily noticeably bad the writing, game engine, and overall quality of TWD Season Two is in retrospect to the first. TWD Season Two is literally shitting itself as we’re watching them play it, moreso than the previous installment…in fact it’s exponentially more badly done.
Let’s talk about that by the way…Matt and Pat are actively able to tell when someone’s about to die, they’re able to call out the bullshit leaps in judgment that TellTale shoves down your throats as far as what dialogue choices inspire what events to happen and why they’re wrong, they’re able to tell where they had ideas and exactly where that idea just dropped off into idiotic “plot armor” for drama, etc. Quite literally nothing has changed, and they’re the same guys they were in Beyond Two Souls, calling out bullshit.
Matt and Pat, if you guys ever read the comments, I hope you see this. All this bullshit controversy will pass, and I certainly hope the cyber bullying Matt experienced goes away (because that’s REALLY some childish bullshit.) I hope you take all this “MORALLY RIGHTEOUS” bullshit hate with a grain of salt as well, because at the end of the day that’s the only thing TellTale managed to succeed at with season two.
Anyway, this is one of those un-vocal majority members saying get the fuck over a video game and the choices in it, how it’s played and the reasoning behind it and enjoy your life. Once these guys fuck executives at youtube to get on the front page, then you’ll have something to bitch about.
September 30, 2014 at 1:19 am
The TRUE Kenny is bad writing
Glanced through. Looks like a babby defense-brigade meltdown over sub-par LP complete with “has society come to this!?” histrionics referring to the terrible playthrough as a “controversy”. Pretentious and superfluous word usage. Saw a couple “literally” in there, probably used incorrectly…yep.
Post was garbage, sorry.
September 30, 2014 at 2:26 am
Oh, my other response to you was actually nice. I just assumed you were being a cockbag because others were treating you like one unjustly.
Maybe you’re just tired or something.
You also failed to add any worth while rebuttals to what I’ve said. I do certainly feel like I need to tell you that you might just be a little irritated with how people are responding to you and I understand that.
Anyway, it’s okay. I appreciate you for describing the Wellington ending.
September 30, 2014 at 3:03 am
September 29, 2014 at 8:27 pm
kenny might be an arsehole but at the end of the day a LOT of people would act like how he acts. i would of personally shot arvo straight after he ambushed the group with the russians if i was in that situation. It doesnt matter how we would treat him now, because those characters are in an entirely different situation. Matt and pat keep treating people like they would be treated in modern day situations, not years after the zombie apocalypse. He took that beating from carver to defend clem, and the guys just laugh it off. I know plenty of people who would act like kenny after the situations hes been through.
September 29, 2014 at 8:44 pm
Who was the person to put that radio in her pocket by the way?
September 30, 2014 at 12:06 am
Fuck it, I’ll explain it.
Kenny was the person to put the radio in Clementine’s pocket….do you know why?
Shitty writing and “plot armor.” OF COURSE you’re going to appreciate someone getting their ass handed to them instead of you being on the receiving end; you’re the player character, and you assign a MASSIVE amount of self worth into Clementine because she’s the person this season revolves around.
It’s a gimme that most people readily buy into without pulling their heads away from the game, and out of their own asses. It’s very explicitly shitty writing and drama. What would make that scene more heart-felt and redeeming to a character is if it’s someone like….Ben. Someone that has been objectively a fuck up from the very beginning. Someone that Kenny absolutely despised, and yet, someone that would bolster the size of their group (solely for the purpose of intimidation.) A group of 7 people is more scary than 3-4 simply due to size and possibility of skill (even if most members are absolutely shit.) Most of the people picking sides can’t realize that Matt and Pat also see outside of the game, they see what TellTale is trying to make them do or see, and they fucking hate that. It’s not transparent at all. It’s black and white. It’s completely bad writing and game design.
September 29, 2014 at 9:02 pm
It’s not that Kenyy is okay. It’s that Kenyy is a GREAT character. The fact that you hate him so much is a testament to that.
September 29, 2014 at 9:48 pm
-Coward and selfish; Bails when things don’t go right for her and tries to convince to the same
-Had sex with Luke when he was supposed to be watching for walkers; Matt and Pat blamed Luke
-Teaches you something everyone and their mother knows
-Was going to ditch Sarah and let her die
-Takes a beating for you
-Admit he fucks up
-Harshly shuts up Arvo; Kenny did go to far but do you really want a kid who just had his sister die right in front of him by the people who is holding him captive scream “LEAVE ME ALONE” in a zombie apocalypse
Season one Kenny fucked up but Matt and Pat are literally shitting on him for every little thing. They are also Jane Apologists.
September 29, 2014 at 10:23 pm
Especially when you realize that jane is a crazy manipulative psychopath
Kenny don’t look so bad in comparison
September 29, 2014 at 10:27 pm
How in the actual fuck did he drown and she didn’t when she went in first? I think this might be the first time i’ve ever watched one of these things and actually not wanted to buy it.
September 29, 2014 at 10:52 pm
never have I ever been so infuriated by a person in a video game than Kenny. I had to pause the video 3 times and leave the room before my anger caused me to throw my laptop out of my room and watch it shatter from 2 stories up. im so glad I didn’t buy this game I probably would have experienced this anger 10x fold. if telltale made this game to create the feelings of frustration and anger they did a fantastic job I applaud you telltale.
September 29, 2014 at 11:35 pm
All the ice scene… It was totally Arvo’s fault, you’re completely wrong.
September 30, 2014 at 5:43 am
I love all the salt about Kenny. Hardly anyone’s in between with the guy. They either think he’s a saint or completely evil. It’s kinda sad really. I mean shit, I didn’t agree with every decision he made. I actually had a lot of conflict with Kenny’s decisions in both seasons, but I didn’t go out of my way to throw him under the bus. I actually tried to give him a chance to get better. Huh…I guess Telltale did a better job than everyone gave them credit for.
September 30, 2014 at 12:37 pm
I’m pretty sure most people feel the way you do. It’s just that Matt and Pat’s hatred for this character is so outrageous that everyone who doesn’t agree is a Kenny apologist by comparison.
September 30, 2014 at 6:16 am
Arvo played you like a damn fiddle. And you’re going to blame Kenny for being right for it.
September 30, 2014 at 11:19 am
The weird thing is even though I liked Kenny at some moments, I really got frustrated by the frequency at which he ruins things. If something is going well, he will make it bad. If it’s already bad, he’ll make it worse. And I honestly think that taking him out does everyone a favor, him most of all.
September 30, 2014 at 11:27 am
Wow, Luke’s death was so fucking obvious, no matter what you choose.
September 30, 2014 at 11:49 am
Rational people: Jane > Kenny overall
October 1, 2014 at 6:20 pm
I don’t know why they want to defend Arvo so much. I wanted to kill him as soon as I could.
October 2, 2014 at 9:37 am
6:37 I love how your logic is even if Kenny does try to redeem himself, it’s only reason to hate him more.